bishopzx12
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posted June 06, 2006 08:07 AM
WEt OR DRY
I am going to be putting the juice on my bike in the up and coming weeks. I was wonder what do you guys think will be the way to go. i have had a dry system on my 12 and loved it but from what i have heard over the past two year wet is the way to go. If tuned right there is better performance gain and that you can use a little more since you are using nitrous and fuel combined. Which way would you guys go????? I plan to try to use a wet kit with schnitzs progressive controller and ignition box along with my pcIII usb and muzzy pipe
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TJ
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posted June 06, 2006 10:23 AM
Wet is the way to go. Muzzy had a great wet kit for the ZX12R. Maybe they will make a similar kit for the 14...
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX-12_NITROUS/index.html
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Vegasdude
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posted June 06, 2006 10:28 AM
It depends on what horsepower you want. A 40 shot max is fine dry............
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tslewisz
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posted June 06, 2006 11:04 AM
I was going wet but I admitted to myself that I probably would never use the limits of what I could achieve dry. I have a dry kit awaiting installation.
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zxbob
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posted June 06, 2006 05:51 PM
I bought the NX dry kit. Im waiting on a spare seat for the installation.
Im gonna have the seat dished out under the cowl for the bottle to keep
it outta site ...... the spare seat for me and mama to go riding !
They'll never see me coming  ....... just pull'in away !
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bishopzx12
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posted June 06, 2006 06:22 PM
Yeah i am thinkning about wet myself. It better to have it and not need the extra powere than to need it and not have being limited with the dry
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TJ
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posted June 06, 2006 06:56 PM
http://www.sverrekahrsracing.no/lystgass/dry-wet/dry-vs-wet.htm
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jimzx9r
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posted June 06, 2006 09:15 PM
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It depends on what horsepower you want. A 40 shot max is fine dry............
Hmm nobody gave me that memo, dry kits go all the way up to 250 and more.
Were intake manifolds and throttlebodies designed to flow liquids? Something to think about.
Anyway...just the usual stuff. Wet is easier to tune by swapping the jet. Wet hits harder. Wet can also cause disastrous backfires, destroying airboxes and throttlebodies. Dry is easier for slapping a small shot on and heading to the track. For someone with no nitrous experience, I would recommend dry. If you're not going to heat the bottle, go with dry. When you don't heat it to 1100psi or so, the spray won't hit as hard...but the fuel noid is still flowing the same amount of fuel even though the nitrous flow can be way down. It makes the bike extremely rich...and can cause backfires and other fun stuff. That's not a problem with dry.
If you do go with a kit, swap out the stock plugs for copper ones. Platinum and iridium plugs are not recommended, they've been known to melt the ends right off.
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jimzx9r
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posted June 06, 2006 09:19 PM
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Wet is the way to go. Muzzy had a great wet kit for the ZX12R. Maybe they will make a similar kit for the 14...
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX-12_NITROUS/index.html
Holy crap $1500?! I could build you the same kit with $500 worth of parts from NX or NOS.
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TJ
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posted June 06, 2006 09:23 PM
I think the Muzzy kit comes with two stickers....
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vegasdude
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posted June 06, 2006 10:00 PM
 Edited By: vegasdude on 6 Jun 2006 23:01
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It depends on what horsepower you want. A 40 shot max is fine dry............
Hmm nobody gave me that memo, dry kits go all the way up to 250 and more.
Were intake manifolds and throttlebodies designed to flow liquids? Something to think about.
Anyway...just the usual stuff. Wet is easier to tune by swapping the jet. Wet hits harder. Wet can also cause disastrous backfires, destroying airboxes and throttlebodies. Dry is easier for slapping a small shot on and heading to the track. For someone with no nitrous experience, I would recommend dry. If you're not going to heat the bottle, go with dry. When you don't heat it to 1100psi or so, the spray won't hit as hard...but the fuel noid is still flowing the same amount of fuel even though the nitrous flow can be way down. It makes the bike extremely rich...and can cause backfires and other fun stuff. That's not a problem with dry.
If you do go with a kit, swap out the stock plugs for copper ones. Platinum and iridium plugs are not recommended, they've been known to melt the ends right off.
No, I didn't mean that 40 was the max for a dry shot. I meant 40 hp dry shot is easier to go with for simple roll on's or 1/4 mile...................I would not go higher than 40 for safety reasons or blowing the motor...........
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bishopzx12
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posted June 08, 2006 06:46 AM
Yeah i definitley feel yo uo n the muzzy kit. i think it like 600 buck and the two sticker are 900 bucks. I guess i will pray to the nitro gods tonight and make my descision by this weekend. What do you guys thin of a two stgae dry kit on the 14
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iflyphi
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posted June 08, 2006 08:17 AM
Well now I'm torn. I was going to get the first wet system from muzzy because I'm gonna drag race and have used nitrous before. But muzzy also has a dryshot system with the runners that spray into the ports. I think that might be the way to go. I only need about 40hp to get into super comp, 8.90 bracket, and still be able to ride the bike on the street.
Might have to get dual bottles though.
I just don't think the wet would be pratical as you really can only boost the stock motor to about 50hp or so, after that, bad things happend, or your costs go up. You'll need to selectively retart the timing, have a progressive nitrous controller, and you'll probably spin a stock tire when you hit the button. I've done that, it ain't fun at 150mph.
If anybody has tried the Muzzy dry shot with the runners I'd like to hear how it works, and how many seconds you get from a 1lb bottle.
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zxbob
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posted June 12, 2006 08:09 PM
I think the dry shot is best for the ease of installation, and its fairly safe
since you have limited hp with a dry system.
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tslewisz
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posted June 13, 2006 06:09 AM
Hey, zxbob, what kinda solenoid is that?
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iflyphi
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posted June 13, 2006 08:36 AM
Bob, what did you set your powercommanders fuel delivery at for the dry shot??
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zxbob
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posted June 13, 2006 02:34 PM
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Hey, zxbob, what kinda solenoid is that?
Thats the "NX" E.F.I. power booster from A.P.E.
Im only running the 25hp jet in it rite now with the Schnitz map.
The power is adjustable (with supplied jets) to 40hp max.
The 25hp is very noticable 
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iflyphi
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posted June 13, 2006 04:59 PM
But did you do anything at all to richen the fuel mixture when the nitrous is introduced??
The way I understand it, the dry shot just shoots nitrous into the air plenum, if you don't do something about richening the mixture, you could have serious problems.
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zxbob
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posted June 13, 2006 05:23 PM
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But did you do anything at all to richen the fuel mixture when the nitrous is introduced??
The way I understand it, the dry shot just shoots nitrous into the air plenum, if you don't do something about richening the mixture, you could have serious problems.
The 25hp shot does not require anything. To go past the 25hp would require
a fuel adjustment in the map which would be no big deal with just the "mid"
and "high" adjusments on the PC.
Bob
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tslewisz
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posted June 13, 2006 08:24 PM
Adjust it in the map, not the buttons.
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zxbob
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posted June 14, 2006 03:42 AM
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Adjust it in the map, not the buttons.
Yes, just the buttons. This way you can increase the fuel delivery
only for the time your running juice, then bring it rite back when
your done playing.
Bob
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tslewisz
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posted June 14, 2006 06:57 AM
Would a quote from Brock change your mind or should I give it up?
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posted June 14, 2006 01:06 PM
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It depends on what horsepower you want. A 40 shot max is fine dry............
That's a joke, right? Or you meant to say, on a stock engine?
My bike puts down a touch shy of 300 to the wheel on a simple dry kit, no problems.
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TJ
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posted June 14, 2006 05:32 PM
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Would a quote from Brock change your mind or should I give it up?
Since when was Brock the be-all end-all of motorcycles? Don't get me wrong, he seems like a great guy that really knows his stuff. I'm just not sure he is ready to write a gospel yet
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tslewisz
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posted June 15, 2006 06:08 AM
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Since when was Brock the be-all end-all of motorcycles?
I don't know. Who said that?
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