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BIKELAND > FORUMS > ZX-14.com > Thread: 14 reported stats, weight is 230kg. 190hp, 200hp with ram air, New pics! NEW TOPIC NEW POLL POST REPLY
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posted September 22, 2005 11:39 PM        
The 14 motor could be a great platform; ZRX1400, ZZR1400, ZX14
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posted September 23, 2005 12:26 AM        
"Dry weight" figures are similar to the manufacture's crankshaft horsepower claims: both rely on the veracity of the manufacturer. Therfore, both are suspect. It's a competitive market.

There's no method for the consumer to verify a dry weight. Hell, we are not even sure what the term specifically means.

Same with determining crankshaft horsepower. Who among us has a crankshaft dyno?

I can only assume that the bike makers do this for purposes of obfiscation. They don't want us to know. This gives them some literary license to round-up (horsepower) and round-down (dry weight) at their whim.

Fortunately, we have rear wheel dynos and drag strip scales to do our own research.

Then there's the matter of measuring ram air gains..........

Fortunately, the RWHP power gains of modern motorcycles has exceeded my personal weight gains over the years, therefore my power-to-weight ratio is still respectable.

Best wishes from the Florida gulf coast,

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posted September 23, 2005 01:21 AM        
Welcome Dave
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posted September 27, 2005 01:21 AM        
Looks like the mad scientist from Lilo and Stitch....
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posted September 28, 2005 01:41 PM        
...lookin' at that frontal pic, that's a HUGEMONGOUS!!!!! air intake inlet....what goes in must come out....is that one of the reasons for dual exhaust cans?
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posted September 28, 2005 01:42 PM        
...we'll probably get the stalked front turn sigs, huh?
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posted September 28, 2005 01:45 PM        
...and look at those 'diffusers' (???) on the mirror stalks...will these stalks help push the 12R past 200mph?
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posted September 28, 2005 01:46 PM        
...did the 12R's lower fairing 'guides' (aka winglets) 'slow' the 12R down?
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posted September 28, 2005 01:51 PM        
...I remember when the 12R came out and the subject of top-speed came out and how the 12R was 'governed' by something that some Kawasaki rep said, "You're looking at it", or something to the effect that it was in plain sight....or something like that....we'll a bike's shape is in plain sight
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posted September 28, 2005 11:27 PM        
I cant see how you guys think its going to be heavier. the swingarm looks lighter than the zx12r's. on the cutaway of the bike the frame is not as beefie on top. i bet the back sides of the peg mounts are way hollow. thats why they are shaped like that. The brake rotors are lighter. the four piston calipers have got to be lighter than my 02zx12 six piston set up. granted the exhaust has got to be heavier but how many riders keep the stock exhaust. i bet she weighs in real close to a zx12.
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posted September 29, 2005 03:21 AM        
Sounds like worm hole is practicing the art of fighting without fighting!
Tell us all that you have been told!

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posted September 29, 2005 10:53 PM        
"In Plain Sight" = Exhust System (can).


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posted September 29, 2005 10:54 PM        
Have you ever looked closely at the wings on an Airplane (Jetliner)?

That explains all the little diffusers on the 14
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posted September 30, 2005 01:21 AM        
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Have you ever looked closely at the wings on an Airplane (Jetliner)?

That explains all the little diffusers on the 14


No they are not some kind of advanced aerodynamics, on jets they enhance control surfaces stability at high speed.

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posted September 30, 2005 05:33 AM        
Or in some cases can keep the flow attached where without them it would break off into turbulence. I don't have the skill to say for a fact that that's not the case with the strakes on the 14, but I wouldn't think it is.

BTW Blueford, got back from a trip on Air France, the 777 both ways. One thing that was cool was that Air France lets you see a display (on the LCD TV screen on the seat in front of you; you can also watch the movie of your choice, etc, no extra cost) showing the plane's position, altitude, ground speed, outside temp etc. The part that was especially cool (to me) was the groundspeed... 656 mph on the way over.

Obviously that was with the wind, as I thought passenger jets generally flew around 550 mph, but on the other hand the way back was not much slower than 550 mph... about 530. So, unless the jet stream was quite different day to day, averaging those groundspeeds gives about 590 mph. Don't know if the plane actually does that or it was a trick of the wind.

777 is a nice airplane. My first time in it actually. Anyway, having a groundspeed of 656 was pretty cool.

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posted September 30, 2005 10:50 AM        Edited By: blueford on 30 Sep 2005 17:51
quote:
BTW Blueford, got back from a trip on Air France, the 777 both ways. One thing that was cool was that Air France lets you see a display (on the LCD TV screen on the seat in front of you; you can also watch the movie of your choice, etc, no extra cost) showing the plane's position, altitude, ground speed, outside temp etc. The part that was especially cool (to me) was the groundspeed... 656 mph on the way over.

Obviously that was with the wind, as I thought passenger jets generally flew around 550 mph, but on the other hand the way back was not much slower than 550 mph... about 530. So, unless the jet stream was quite different day to day, averaging those groundspeeds gives about 590 mph. Don't know if the plane actually does that or it was a trick of the wind.

777 is a nice airplane. My first time in it actually. Anyway, having a groundspeed of 656 was pretty cool.


Trenace, yes, oceanic ATC routes traffic into the jet stream going over and avoids it coming back, if they can. It's about a 100 miles or so wide I think?

One thing about ground speeds is that when making East/West round trips is that a head wind acts on the aircraft a longer period of time, therefore having a greater negative effect than a tail wind! All else being equal.

BTW Jere did talk about his getting banned openly in a thread, tomorrow, I do LA to Munich non-stop, I hope the jet stream is ripping at 250mph!

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posted September 30, 2005 11:17 AM        Edited By: trenace on 2 Oct 2005 00:09
Cool! (The LA to Munich flight.) That's also very interesting that the jet stream is narrow enough (relative to the overall path flown) that one can be routed with it or out
or mostly out of it, while still looking to the passenger looking at the course shown as being about the same. That must be what happened here, as I don't think a 590 mph
average is possible. There must have been much less headwind on the way back than taillwind going.

Yeah, Jere getting officially banned was un-fuckingbelievable, especially considering Evans' having just posted his laugh-laugh-laugh crap posing as ridiculing anyone
saying he had been banned, though no one had actually said that (typical of liars to pull such rhetoric.)

I am always amazed at how some people are so stupid as to prove what others are saying for them and not even realize they are doing it... Evans banning Jere immediately
after that is a good example of that. Total asswipe as well as liar, anti-American, total spin-artist, with speech-suppressing administration of his site that many remain unaware of
(which of course he is entitled to do; but others are entitled to observe that such is the case, though not permitted at that site to continue expressing opinion on that matter,
referring to the absurd "poll" he posted to try to argue he is not, closed as votes came in against him, reopened when one of his salad-tossing sycophants begged in another
thread for reopening so said sycophant could cast a favorable vote: and then instantly closed once again and permanently when instead yet another vote Evans didn't like came in.

And as if that weren't enough, Evans also posted that he "had" to delete a post on that poll put up in that time window on account of the poster supposedly not knowing what
he was talking about -- man, every administrator "has" to delete posts if the poster supposedly doesn't know enough right? Or was it self-serving deletion of an opinion
Evans didn't want posted, just as he deleted Jere's reply to his insulting post and banned Jere. Absurd to the max. And pitiful that any still support Evans.

And it's remarkable to me that any American, short of any individual ashamed of America or embarrassed to be an American, would support that board. At one time the
anti-Americanism wasn't blatant: at this point it's so obvious as Evans openly stating that posts about American politics are "obviously off limits" on the site whereas posts
on Canadian politics are allowed. Thus proving, as others already pointed out, that the issue NEVER was opposition by the owner to discussion of political matters
in general, but only to the expression of typically American views regarding herself and the world, which he deems offensive to the world that he seeks to cater to.

How craven are those Americans that submit to this openly stated policy, a board that denies expression of American and only American speech?

Personally I find that individual, from his follow-up actions and behavior after his actions causing the rift on his site, to be a total write-off, irredeemable, a thoroughgoing liar,
spin artist, anti-American, and suppressor of speech, obviously totally set on this path he has chosen and therefore not worth the slightest further consideration or mention.
His banning Jere from even logging in however was a suitable item for the last mention of that total puke of an individual.

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posted October 04, 2005 08:40 PM        
that's easy, 507 lbs dry which will work out to be 545 wet with out fuel, and probably have about 24 liter fuel - so approx 584 full weight.
190 hp / 200 with ram air is a crank horse power, torque numbers should be 102-105 at 6750 rpm.

Oh ya, the black bike will be lighter & faster..........................................
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posted October 05, 2005 02:58 AM        


Kawasaki state a comp ratio of 12.7 to 1 which is higher than the 12.

This will not just be a torque monster. This will fly through the gears like a fucker. I had thought the compression would be between the busa and 12 with the displacement but not so.

Another site is saying 195hp (crank). That would be enough for the double tonne.

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