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BIKELAND > FORUMS > BIKE CHAT > Thread: TRE vs Flies - Low End Performance of the ZX-14 Evaluated **UPDATE SEPT 20, 2006 ** NEW TOPIC NEW POLL POST REPLY
Stalwart


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posted June 18, 2007 09:03 AM        
Instead of just stirring the pot, Fishie likes to drop in a hand grenade for effect!
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Shuriken


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posted August 17, 2007 03:30 AM        Edited By: Shuriken on 17 Aug 2007 03:32
Hi Guys,

First absolutely great article Brock!!!!!!!!!

I have a ZZR (ZX14) 2006 and couldn't live with the restrictions too.
Besides the Akrapovic slip ons,
I have a GIPro (healtech) TRE, it a kind of advanced TRE with a gear indicator.
You can switch this thing between 4 different set ups and a 5th: TRE-off
I've set it in 6th gear all the time, but you can also choose 1st gear, TRE lets the CPU think it is in 5th, and gears 2-6 in 6th gear (makes it any sense:-)).
And yes, i have added a PC III usb and a customized map was made (AFR is a flat 12)
It pulls 180 HP and 145nM at the back wheel on a conservative dyno


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wiler2006


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posted February 03, 2010 04:31 PM        
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So, who's the numbnuts who asked about a map for the TRE and plate removal? Oh, yeh. That would be me. I thought maybe the TRE did something besides move the sub-plates. You know...Like something to do w/the timing?

Oh, well. I never pretended to know. That's why I gave Brock a substantial hunk of money. I'm happy w/the TRE, Gen. 3, PC set-up.

Good job, guys.


I thought it did as well. On their website they state that ignition maps are different in different gears and that 6th has the most advance. You're not the only numbnuts, i guess.


I really want to see a test with both the TRE and secondary butterflies removed. TRE stands for Timing Retard Eliminator. The timing on the zx-14 is retarded a bit in gears 1-4. The TRE gets rid of the retard on the timing by tricking the ECU on the bike into thinking it's in 6th gear. The secondary butterflies opening earlier is a side effect of the ECU thinking the bike is in 6th gear. Top fuel dragsters have the timing retarded in the lower rpms because the motors in the things produce so much power. It's probably a similar story with the zx-14.

Check out the product description
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/tre%20zx14%2006.htm

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Wheelie


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posted February 03, 2010 04:36 PM        
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So, who's the numbnuts who asked about a map for the TRE and plate removal? Oh, yeh. That would be me. I thought maybe the TRE did something besides move the sub-plates. You know...Like something to do w/the timing?

Oh, well. I never pretended to know. That's why I gave Brock a substantial hunk of money. I'm happy w/the TRE, Gen. 3, PC set-up.

Good job, guys.


I thought it did as well. On their website they state that ignition maps are different in different gears and that 6th has the most advance. You're not the only numbnuts, i guess.


I really want to see a test with both the TRE and secondary butterflies removed. TRE stands for Timing Retard Eliminator. The timing on the zx-14 is retarded a bit in gears 1-4. The TRE gets rid of the retard on the timing by tricking the ECU on the bike into thinking it's in 6th gear. The secondary butterflies opening earlier is a side effect of the ECU thinking the bike is in 6th gear. Top fuel dragsters have the timing retarded in the lower rpms because the motors in the things produce so much power. It's probably a similar story with the zx-14.

Check out the product description
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/tre%20zx14%2006.htm
Five O on the scene, 10-4!!!

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Wheelie


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posted February 03, 2010 04:38 PM        
whats a tre, YES! I get to say it LAB3 lol


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Wheelie


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posted February 03, 2010 04:39 PM        
quote:
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So, who's the numbnuts who asked about a map for the TRE and plate removal? Oh, yeh. That would be me. I thought maybe the TRE did something besides move the sub-plates. You know...Like something to do w/the timing?

Oh, well. I never pretended to know. That's why I gave Brock a substantial hunk of money. I'm happy w/the TRE, Gen. 3, PC set-up.

Good job, guys.


I thought it did as well. On their website they state that ignition maps are different in different gears and that 6th has the most advance. You're not the only numbnuts, i guess.


I really want to see a test with both the TRE and secondary butterflies removed. TRE stands for Timing Retard Eliminator. The timing on the zx-14 is retarded a bit in gears 1-4. The TRE gets rid of the retard on the timing by tricking the ECU on the bike into thinking it's in 6th gear. The secondary butterflies opening earlier is a side effect of the ECU thinking the bike is in 6th gear. Top fuel dragsters have the timing retarded in the lower rpms because the motors in the things produce so much power. It's probably a similar story with the zx-14.

Check out the product description
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/tre%20zx14%2006.htm
did he just compare a top fuel dragster to a zx14? weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Hellmutt


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posted February 03, 2010 05:16 PM        
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So, who's the numbnuts who asked about a map for the TRE and plate removal? Oh, yeh. That would be me. I thought maybe the TRE did something besides move the sub-plates. You know...Like something to do w/the timing?

Oh, well. I never pretended to know. That's why I gave Brock a substantial hunk of money. I'm happy w/the TRE, Gen. 3, PC set-up.

Good job, guys.


I thought it did as well. On their website they state that ignition maps are different in different gears and that 6th has the most advance. You're not the only numbnuts, i guess.


I really want to see a test with both the TRE and secondary butterflies removed. TRE stands for Timing Retard Eliminator. The timing on the zx-14 is retarded a bit in gears 1-4. The TRE gets rid of the retard on the timing by tricking the ECU on the bike into thinking it's in 6th gear. The secondary butterflies opening earlier is a side effect of the ECU thinking the bike is in 6th gear. Top fuel dragsters have the timing retarded in the lower rpms because the motors in the things produce so much power. It's probably a similar story with the zx-14.

Check out the product description
http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/tre%20zx14%2006.htm


If you check out www.brocksperformance.com (and I believe there's a thread or 2 on this site) that explains Brocks' testing on this very subject using dyno run vs. dyno run -- but basically there isn't much difference according to his results it seems to be fairly miniscule.
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posted February 03, 2010 06:24 PM        
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whats a tre, YES! I get to say it LAB3 lol


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