agressor
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posted January 27, 2012 12:15 PM
 Edited By: agressor on 27 Jan 2012 20:16
race gas
Hey Guys
Did You try to add toluen or avgas (plane gasoline) to fuel in Your bikes?
Does it works. Im curious if that could stop knock
fire in highly compressed bikes or with ingnition advanced.
Regards T
  
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shiphteey
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posted January 27, 2012 01:56 PM
I've run avgas with good results on Nitrous. I didn't have knock issues before. Are you just looking for an inexpensive alternative to non-oxygenated VP type fuels with high octane like C12, C16, etc?
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tcchin
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posted January 27, 2012 03:18 PM
The distillation curve on avgas is all wrong for a land-based vehicle. Stick with purpose-blended race fuel for best results.
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agressor
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posted January 27, 2012 10:45 PM
shiphteey thats my point to get cheaper race gas.
I have friend with airplane so i will try avgas also.
Did You mix it with normal gasoline and 2\stroke oil.
I heard its dry but other people say its ok for engines.
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KZScott
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posted January 28, 2012 04:41 AM
it will be fine on high octane pump gas
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 05:02 AM
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shiphteey thats my point to get cheaper race gas.
I have friend with airplane so i will try avgas also.
Did You mix it with normal gasoline and 2\stroke oil.
I heard its dry but other people say its ok for engines.
I did not run any sort of 2 stroke oil. Just avgas. More consistent than pump from what I was told, cheaper than race gas of course.
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 05:17 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 13:24
Some technical info here:
http://www.rockettbrand.com/techsupport/documents/TechBulletins/RacingGasolineVsAviationGas.pdf
http://www.osbornauto.com/racing/race2avgas.htm
There is plenty more info out there on why avgas is not really designed for our applications.
In my area, avgas is $6-8 a gallon, while you can get VP 110 for $8.45 at the local dragstrip. "Cheap" is relative...how much does it cost if you run your motor lean and/or hurt it?
What is your setup? That is the first step in determing the proper fuel to use...
Shane
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agressor
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posted January 28, 2012 05:54 AM
My setup its nothing special milled head, polsihed ports, multi angle valve seats, full exhaust system 4-1, PCIIIr, K&N filters. Im just curious how its works.
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 06:00 AM
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My setup its nothing special milled head, polsihed ports, multi angle valve seats, full exhaust system 4-1, PCIIIr, K&N filters. Im just curious how its works.
Unless you have really high compression, 93 pump will be fine...
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 06:06 AM
Aggressor, if you need some more info shoot me a PM.
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agressor
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posted January 28, 2012 06:34 AM
Edited By: agressor on 28 Jan 2012 14:34
Shiptey s
ure but I dont know how to use this option there is a small window and I cant type anything there. MAybe You are on kawasakiworld or something, or just tell me what to do to write pm on this board .....
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 06:36 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 14:40
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Shiptey s
ure but I dont know how to use this option there is a small window and I cant type anything there. MAybe You are on kawasakiworld or something, or just tell me what to do to write pm on this board .....
Unfortunately, Shiphteey is banned from Kawasakiworld...but you could always email him. I don't think you have enough posts here to get pm's...
You can also pm me on Kawasakiworld, user name "Warp12". Good luck with whatever you decide! 
Shane
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agressor
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posted January 28, 2012 06:44 AM
Banned oh my...  I just wanna try this fuel mixture.
I was thinking to mix 98 gasoline with toluen or avgas
but just for short night speeding with friends.
Normal days normal gas. But Im not very fixed about it.
I just want to know about it as much as it possible.
Maybe one day I will try myself on drgastrip and fuel will by my goal
Shane I will PM You for more info and Shiphteey send me Your email somehow
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agressor
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posted January 28, 2012 06:45 AM
Edited By: agressor on 28 Jan 2012 14:59
firefox error please delete this post
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 06:51 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 14:52
A #1 misconception is that more octane=more power. You want to use the minimum octane you can without knocking/preignition/detonation....
On my 13.x:1 ZX-12R, 1287cc with porting and cams, I will be using MR12...which has an octane rating equal to 93 pump. Ditto on my 1441 cc 12.x :1 ZX-14R....
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 07:01 AM
Actually MR12 is rated at 87 octane, per VP:
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/motoroadracing.html
Agressor, if you're comfortable with it post up your email address here and I'll hit you up.
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 07:01 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 15:01
To email Shiphteey, try: novarockband@yahoo.com
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 07:04 AM
Shane, you've never run avgas, right? So why you on here talking? Just like to hear yourself speak?
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 07:05 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 15:05
quote:
Actually MR12 is rated at 87 octane, per VP:
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/motoroadracing.html
Agressor, if you're comfortable with it post up your email address here and I'll hit you up.
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MR12 is rated at 87 Motor Octane...that is different than the research octane (RON) that you see at the gas pump.
More info on octane ratings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
Common mistake...rest assured that MR12 is not the 87 octane you see in pump gas!
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 07:06 AM
Shane, you ever run avgas?
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 07:08 AM
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Shane, you've never run avgas, right? So why you on here talking? Just like to hear yourself speak?
Not sure why you are angry. I've never had cancer either, but I can advise people not to smoke, right:? 
I have used a lot of different race fuels, and followed adviced from some very experienced racers. I am just passing on the best info that I have.
Shane
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agressor
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posted January 28, 2012 07:09 AM
Edited By: agressor on 28 Jan 2012 15:10
Hey Guys email send to both of You so we can talk via emails.
No argue here needed
please tell me what is this 93 pump i dont get it I can see some movies on youtube but thats all...
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 07:09 AM
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Shane, you've never run avgas, right? So why you on here talking? Just like to hear yourself speak?
Not sure why you are angry. I've never had cancer either, but I can advise people not to smoke, right:?
I have used a lot of different race fuels, and followed adviced from some very experienced racers. I am just passing on the best info that I have.
Shane
So you've never run avgas? You have no experience with it, correct?
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Shane661
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posted January 28, 2012 07:18 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 28 Jan 2012 15:21
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So you've never run avgas? You have no experience with it, correct?
A.
Ali, let it go. You do not have extensive experience with avgas....we both know this to be true. And, btw, there are several different varieties of avgas!! If I bought 10 gallons tomorrow, would that make me an expert?
You do not even know the difference between motor octane and research octane. But yet you are lashing out? Please read the links that I have provided...I did.
I have never used root beer as a fuel, either...but that doesn't mean I can't advise others on it's suitability. Please, put your angry ego aside...
Shane
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shiphteey
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posted January 28, 2012 07:23 AM
Ali, let it go. You do not have extensive experience with avgas....we both know this to be true.
----FALSE. You don't know what experience I have with avgas, we haven't been cool for a while so don't act like you know me.
And, btw, there are several different varities of avgas!! If I bought 10 gallons tomorrow, would that make me an expert?
----Nope, but you would at least have a leg to stand on.
You do not even know the difference between motor octane and research octane. But yet you are lashing out?
----He's asking about avgas, you have no experience in it, am I correct?
I have never used root beer as a fuel, either...but that doesn't mean I can't advise others on it's suitability. Please, put your angry ego aside...
----Ain't no one angry buddy, at least not me. You can copy and paste whatever you searched about on the internet, or what you "heard" about while I'll stick to talking to him about my personal experiences with it on the track and on the dyno.
Shane (shane661@aol.com)
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