Shane661
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posted November 12, 2009 09:56 AM
- Engine Building Tools? -
I may be looking to build an engine at some point in the future. I figured I would start a thread to get some ideas of the basic tools required. Outside of the basics, I would be interested in some of the tools that make the process less time-consuming and more precise.
This will give me a chance to shop around, or perhaps trade for the proper tools during my travels. Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
Shane
  
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posted November 12, 2009 10:36 AM
i know ! entropy has many nice tools - to build a engine !!
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posted November 12, 2009 10:47 AM
0-1 in Mic, 1-2 in, 3-4
bore gauge
degree kit
tim chin ptv tool
2 tq wrenches
valve spring compressor
thats all ive used, but a rod bolt stretch gauge would be nice
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 12, 2009 11:16 AM
Which cam degree kit are you using?
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posted November 12, 2009 11:58 AM
what are you thinking about building shane? i'm undecided between 2 mil w/ stock crank or stock bore/ stock crank with rods and pistons
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Shane661
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posted November 12, 2009 12:03 PM
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what are you thinking about building shane? i'm undecided between 2 mil w/ stock crank or stock bore/ stock crank with rods and pistons
I'm still weighing my options. Most likely something conservative to start. I want to focus on strength and reliability rather than peak #'s. I haven't fully exploited the hp and speed potential of the stock motor yet. 
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tcchin
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posted November 12, 2009 12:14 PM
Micrometer stand
Dial indicator (maybe several)
Dial indicator base and holder
Dial indicator probes and extensions
Mr. Gasket 6120 degree wheel
Welding rod (3/32" to make DI probes and degree wheel pointers)
Lead solder (to record squish)
Digital calipers (to measure squish)
Silicone grease and a 10cc syringe (for measuring compression)
Leakdown tester
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KZScott
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posted November 12, 2009 12:16 PM
borrowed my friends Summit kit, but that reminds me...
Tim, did you ever find out about shipping a magnetic base?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 12, 2009 12:22 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Nov 2009 20:23
I have the digital calipers covered:
It kind of sucks when you find that you need to measure something 6.73", and you only have a 6" caliper. It kind of makes you wish that you bought the 8" model to begin with. 
Shane
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tcchin
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posted November 12, 2009 12:26 PM
Yeah, Canada doesn't like to receive magnetic things in the mail. I can ship the arm and the probes, but the base may be problematic. I can try shipping it in a separate container and just write it off if it gets bounced. I tested the magnetic field of the base with the switch in the OFF position (using my CRT monitor!), and the magnetic field seems to be pretty well contained in that state, so it should pass a magnetism field test. Are you still interested in the tools? They're just sitting on a shelf at the moment.
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posted November 12, 2009 12:28 PM
Scott - do you have a link to the thread where we went through this exercise for you, way back when? It's been a while, but I thought there might be some relevant info in there for Shane.
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Shane661
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posted November 12, 2009 12:28 PM
Hey, if you are going to jack the thread....at least explain what you are talking about.
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KZScott
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posted November 12, 2009 12:42 PM
page 2 is where its at
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=36616&pagenumber=2
Tim has(had?) some stuff for me, but we havent worked out shipping yet
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 12, 2009 12:49 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Nov 2009 20:49
quote:
page 2 is where its at
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=36616&pagenumber=2
Tim has(had?) some stuff for me, but we havent worked out shipping yet
Good link, thanks!
I too have been looking at the McMaster Carr tool catalog today.
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posted November 12, 2009 12:51 PM
If you guys have any pictures of these tools/instruments, please post them. 
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posted November 12, 2009 01:28 PM
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posted November 12, 2009 02:06 PM
KZScott and tcchin pretty much have it covered. Do yourself a favor and buy good name brand torque wrenches. Snap-on, Mac, Matco, etc. Stay away from the harbour freight junk. Some of the stuff they sell is OK but I try and stay away from them when it comes to precision tools. YMMV.
I like to have a couple sets of V-blocks around to check runout on cams, etc.
It's also nice to have a smallish surface plate for lapping heads and cylinder blocks too.
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posted November 12, 2009 05:11 PM
Just in case you need...
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Shane661
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posted November 13, 2009 07:37 AM
Regarding a bore gauge, are you still using this one, Scott?:
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CEN-TECH 1.4-6'' ELECTRONIC BORE GAUGE
Harbor Freight ITEM 94873-2VGA
Any other suggested models/manufacturers?
Shane
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posted November 13, 2009 07:58 AM
yeah, i used that one for cases, rods ect. DO NOT try using it with cold parts or even in a cold room for that matter. i tried in dads shop. totally frustrating expirience. if you are doing this in the winter like me, bring the parts in the house for several hrs in a very warm room. the closer to body temp the better as your hands can heat up the parts and mess with readings. kitchen table with towels 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 13, 2009 08:02 AM
quote:
Yeah, Canada doesn't like to receive magnetic things in the mail. I can ship the arm and the probes, but the base may be problematic. I can try shipping it in a separate container and just write it off if it gets bounced. I tested the magnetic field of the base with the switch in the OFF position (using my CRT monitor!), and the magnetic field seems to be pretty well contained in that state, so it should pass a magnetism field test. Are you still interested in the tools? They're just sitting on a shelf at the moment.
very much so! stroker build coming up! lets do the 2 package deal, and please let me know what I owe you. do you still have my address?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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Shane661
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posted November 13, 2009 08:03 AM
Whenever I do get to it, I have a spare room in the house that I plan to clean out and use for assembly. My garage doesn't have any heating or cooling!!
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Shane661
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posted November 13, 2009 12:20 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Nov 2009 20:28
Some info/pics posted regarding measuring rod bolt stretch:
Tcchin post:
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I have a Lunati stretch gauge with a Mitutoyo 543-693 indicator on it.
Carrillo's instructions can be found here:
http://www.carrilloind.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=iQV08XDeYQQ%3d&tabid=99
Osti post:
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Karl,
This is the stretch gauge I have. It was about 150 bucks. I bought it at the time because it was the only one I could find that would read .0005" most only read .001". If I was going to do it again I would do like tcchin. The cheaper stretch gauge and spend the money on a real good indicator. Anyway, this is the one I use and it works fine. Can be purchased at Summit or Jegs or anyplace like that.
I believe that Entropy posted about a trick digital tool for this as well. Unfortunately I could not find that post. Perhaps Karl can point it out.
Shane
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posted November 13, 2009 12:28 PM
Shane, another outfit that sells both budget and high end tools is www.use-enco.com
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Shane661
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posted November 13, 2009 12:34 PM
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Shane, another outfit that sells both budget and high end tools is www.use-enco.com
http://www.use-enco.com
Nice selection of tools; thanks!
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