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posted October 03, 2014 09:17 AM        Edited By: fish_antlers on 4 Oct 2014 00:17
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Gunner


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posted October 03, 2014 02:42 PM        
Not a lot more to say until they release the street bike.. In the mean time I'm picking up a nice very low mile 2004 10R for a winter build.. Wouldn't it be more fun hurting the feeling of all those guys that run out and buy the latest and greatest H2 with bikes over 10 years old.. LOL... That's real fun
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posted October 03, 2014 09:11 PM        
I wouldn't assume the H2 will have the 186mph speed limiter. The BMW 1000 doesn't.
But even if it does theres no relationship between power output and top speed limit. The engine could be making 500 hp up to 185 mph when the computer shuts the power down at 186 mph.

Hopefully Kawasaki will offer different compressor wheels. Otherwise it will be more difficult to change the boost.

My guess on the frame is it weighs less and allowed more room and access to the back of the engine as well as better air circulation. I'm not so sure marketing had a role in its design.

The only advantage a single sided swing arm offers is fast 5 second rear wheel changes when racing it. But where and what class is this thing going to be allowed in? Track days at the club level? Kinda pricey for that. Land speed racing? Turbo bikes would murder it.

Its cool and all but I just don't get where this bike fits in.

As a street bike it makes more sense. But its going to have to be priced so it doesn't hurt zx10 and zx14 sales. Its going to have to be 20k or more i would think.

I want to see how well mannered the electronics are going to make it.


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Gunner


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posted October 04, 2014 06:08 AM        
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I wouldn't assume the H2 will have the 186mph speed limiter. The BMW 1000 doesn't.
But even if it does theres no relationship between power output and top speed limit. The engine could be making 500 hp up to 185 mph when the computer shuts the power down at 186 mph.





As one of the most respected members to post her in my personal book Jim ... I used the same 500 Hp number to make the NO RELATIONSHIP between HP and speed limits... So it's good to see we agree on that point... again in my book if no others. It's the arm pulling power up to said limit that will be fun.

The single sided swingarms don't do wheel changes any faster than the double sided quick change stuff. I build a swingarms in my shop using all the top shelf WSB level parts from Harris Performance. They quick change just as fast an a single side deal with a well train team. Only Ducati are using that single sided package still and they aren't winning any races. The flex is nearly impossible to get right with those set ups. We don't like to think about it but these bike have to flex a certain amount in order to work properly. Both the frame and the swingarms have to flex.. There's no weight savings either with the single sided set up.. Purely POSER CENTRAL just like under tail exhaust.. Nothing there but hit ass cheeks and added weight up high and in the total wrong place.







Then there's a point where you and I don't agree and that's about the electronics. I hate all that electronic management BS. It makes pussy ass riders faster than they really have the skills to be. I would like to see all that GARBAGE removed for all the professional classes and the power and power management put back into the riders right wrist! Who gives a damn which manufacture has the smartest engineering staff? I don't! Classic example is the current WSB package.. The Suzuki (which I don't even like ) is one of the fastest bikes on the grid but it can't win races because the electronics are behind the rest of the more developed bikes. MotoGp another example and in a BIG BIG BIG way.... The Ducati during the Rossi era was rocket fast but again the electronics were JUNK and they couldn't win with it.. There's example after example after example of this kind of GARBAGE!

Bringing me back to my Generation 1 ZX10R that won't be beat by anything rolling on the street that isn't turbo charged and I'll even race those on a 5 mile course that has both corners and straights.. I'll give them a chance to use that HUGE power to gain an advantage but then I'll burn them to the ground when it comes time to turn and pin the throttle again. Street bikes are all encompassing machines not just good at one thing and nothing more. Kawasaki hasn't build a better 10R for a street bike since the 04/05 10R model. Now it sucked at the AMA and WSB levels for more of the reasons posted above but street bike level it's simply the meanest of the mean and can't be beat.. Zach Millholland and I discussed this very topic recently and we both agree a properly built 3 Mill gen1 10R couldn't be beat by anything with a license plate bolted on INCLUDING THIS NEW Whooppie Sickle from KHI.


Damn nice to see you posting in this thread Jim.... How's your wife doing? I've ask around some but no one really knows I hope she's doing well Sir.
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posted November 04, 2014 03:57 AM        
H2R curb weight is now published at 476lbs, making it almost 50 lbs lighter than the street version... but still ALOT heavier than the 10R.
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Gunner


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posted November 04, 2014 04:40 AM        
Yea she's a FAT GIRL for sure!! Have they told the HP for the street version yet?
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posted November 04, 2014 05:26 AM        
Not that I've seen.
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posted December 25, 2014 12:58 PM        
I'd pay $25K for the 300 Hp version, but $25K for 197 HP? I like the looks, but I'll stick with my 212 rwhp A1 12 for now....
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posted December 26, 2014 10:09 AM        
Hey Terry,

Cool deal, your ZX12R will never do ya wrong, that's for sure.

However...

That H2 will have a big fatty torque curve like nobody's business. Check out the Ricky Gadson video.
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