mwrzx12
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posted July 16, 2002 06:59 PM
Oil Leak (wiring harness) on my 02
This all started when I noticed a drop of oil while out riding one day. Did not think much of it until I saw a post here talking about this problem. There was only a couple responses on that post, but when I checked mine I found a mess.
I have a fairly large thread over on Easy's site talking about this and would like to post offer this link so you guys will be aware of the potential problem.
Here's the link http://pub56.ezboard.com/fkawasakizx12rfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=5249.topic&start=1&stop=20
  
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mwrzx12
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posted July 17, 2002 05:28 AM
We are compiling a list over there, we have 6 board members with this problem so far, most did not know about it until I recommended everyone check out their connector...
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phil
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posted July 17, 2002 07:48 PM
Interesting, I was thinking this was just an '00 problem. Apparently not. Mines been dripping off and on for over a year now, just started again a few weeks ago. When the bike, an '00, was just off of warranty my dealer called kawasaki about it to see if they would fix it and the guy actually laughed at him. I didn't think they would cover it but thought I'd ask.
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xman99
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posted July 18, 2002 06:06 AM
 Edited By: xman99 on 18 Jul 2002 07:07
First time I saw it on mine I thought chain lube had somehow gotten up there. Then pulled the connector apart and figured maybe some insulating goop inside the connector body eventually melted from heat. It's definitely oil pumped up from the alternator. I slid back the wire loom at the connector and the wires were soaked in oil as far as I could see. Shot some electronics cleaner down the wire loom towards the source. I pulled my alt cover off and sealed the area around the wire exit with RTV - only inside the 90 degree rubber grommet. Hopefully it holds, between this and my recently failed radiator fan switch I'm not happy with how this bike is holding up after just one year. Was going to reply on zx-12r.org but cannot for the life of me get registered for some reason.
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mwrzx12
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posted July 18, 2002 08:16 AM
Edited By: mwrzx12 on 18 Jul 2002 09:18
Xman, you have to register with ezboard to post over there..
It is very easy to register, go here http://www.ezboard.com/
And the forum site is here http://pub56.ezboard.com/bkawasakizx12r
Thanks for your posts, we are trying to compile a list of people with this problem.
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redelk
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posted July 18, 2002 09:19 AM
At least you won't have to worry...
... about this thread getting DELETED!
Of course, if too many "opinionated" members of this forum posts on your thread at Dale's site... I can't guarantee the same.
Sad 
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mwrzx12
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posted July 18, 2002 11:05 AM
Redelk
I just love the ZX12, and like to interact with my fellow zx12 owners, and that is what keeps me coming back.
I suppose Moderators have a tough time (I am not one), I don't even know how that works, but if I see a thread that has turned into a pissing contest I just stay out of it...
I guess you guys know something I don't...........
I have only been posting a couple of months......
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redelk
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posted July 18, 2002 12:20 PM
Edited By: redelk on 18 Jul 2002 13:23
STRICTLY...
... my personal opinion, but it goes something like this...
Your approach to "pissing contest" threads seem to be the most logical to me and many others here.
Though I am not an administrator, as a forum moderator, I do have the "power" to edit or delete single posts or entire threads. I can also lock out threads where no one can post on them. This is a "power" I have used in less the a half dozen occasions. That's all, in close to 24,000 posts and over 2650 topics.
Some I've found to be offensive to me personally and some have even gone as far as to specifically make fun of me. Most of it was in good fun, but I felt that some would skirt the edge. On other occasions, the a thread would get rather heated, but it still was a debate over technical issues of the 12R.
Neither of these types of threads warrants being edited or deleted, in my opinion. The same does not apply to Dale's site. Several members of this site and it's forums have been BANNED from Dale's site, including the administrators of this site. Other members have had their posts either edited or completely removed, because either Dale or a forum moderator did not agree with the member's viewpoint.
I would almost understand if the member in question was some kind of hard ass, but that has not always been the case. This both confuses and disappoints me. I personally am thankful for all the sources of information available to a 12R owner. Not only is there Dale's and this site, but there's also LA Busa's 12R forum as well.
Between these three sites, there is one of the most comprehensive and detailed compiling of information that has EVER existed on any one make of bike. In the cases of this and LAB's forums, you might have to "weed through" some "BS posts" to find it, but it's there and it's unedited.
In case of Dale's site, many a good and informative threads have been deleted, solely due to a single post that "offended" someone in charge. Dale, Fish-Antlers (this site's administrator) and myself can trace our web presence on motorcycle forums long before there was even talk of a 12R.
Many of us started at Jeroen's ZX11 site or Big Dog's Hayabusa.org. Both of which are now gone. Hayabusa.org's downfall was partially due to the heavy handed editing. Jeroen's was due to the bandwidth consumption. He did NOT edit posts and the traffic on his site reflected that.
Jeroen is considered to be the "Father of all 12R sites". His views towards editing posts is the cornerstone's of this site's and LAB's 12R forums. Though I am still allowed to post at Dale's site, I rarely do. I can assure you, if I had posted such a thread on Dale's site and it had a link to this site... it would NOT be there by the end of the day.
You tell me, is that right? I personally welcome EVERYONE to our humble forum, no matter what site you may be "loyal" to. I'm not "loyal" to any one forum, including the very one I moderate. Not only do I welcome those from other forums, what's more important is that I welcome their OPINIONS! ESPECIALLY when they are different then those held by myself and others here. How the hell are we to find out about problems or fixes if we did not feel this way?
Now, I will also not claim that this or any site is "perfect". I currently am not in full agreement with this site's views towards advertising products from small business. Some members share similar views as I do. Still, instead of just having the administrators say that "this is the way it is", they and the companies that currently advertise via purchased ads are working with the moderators and general membership to achieve a compromise that is fair to all parties.
It boils down to this... open communication that stresses on OPEN!
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mwrzx12
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posted July 18, 2002 01:08 PM
Thank_you
very much for helping me understand. Something you said bothers me very much....
quote:
I can assure you, if I had posted such a thread on Dale's site and it had a link to this site... it would NOT be there by the end of the day.
Thats just not right. I did not know that something like that was going on.
I am still trying to compile a list of owners having the original problem of oil in the wiring harness. If the zones members are not posting because of Dales site send me an e-mail so I can include in my complaint to Kawasaki.
If you want your name left off Dales site just ask and I will remove the two posts where I quoted members here.
Peace
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redelk
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posted July 18, 2002 02:19 PM
Edited By: redelk on 18 Jul 2002 15:21
No & No
AGAIN... this is just MY personal view of things. Reality, as perceived by others, could be completely different.
My first "No" is concerning any form of complaint to Kawasaki of Canada or KMC U.S. It is not worth the time or effort to do such, since he is in no way affilated with Kawasaki Corporate. If this is the way Dale wishes to run his site, he has every right to and I will support his rights to do so, if that's what he wishes to do. Even if I do not agree with it. After all, it is HIS site.
This is concerning only the editing or deleting of posts. Other issues that I will not get in to on any public forum do not warrant my support. I'll just leave it at that.
My other "No" is having my name left off Dales site. As long as your quotes from members here are properly credited to who and WHERE it came from, it's not a problem. BUT... I'd keep an eye on those posts if I were you. They may either mysteriously disappear or become edited. If that was the case, I would demand (if I personally had any authority to do so) they be removed.
Many on "both sides" feel that these problems between members of the two forums and their administrators are "petty" at best. Being privy to more info then most, I can honestly say it's anything but petty.
So be it. All the same, my biggest loyalties lay with my fellow 12R owner... FIRST and foremost. Which forum they hang out at make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to me.
Once again, theis is SOLELY my opinion and in no way do I claim or imply that it reflects the opinions of this site's administrators or it's members. They are all most capable of speaking for themselves.
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mwrzx12
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posted July 18, 2002 04:28 PM
Edited By: mwrzx12 on 18 Jul 2002 17:33
Redelk
Dale had nothing to do with the idea of complaining to Kawasaki. That was all MY idea. I thought if this was a big enough problem we should complain so at least a service bulletin or possible a recall or fix be addressed. No one at Dales site had recommended/suggested/or agreed to complain. This was a personal decision I made. Sorry if I confused you with my intention. It probally will not do any good, but when something is obviously wrong with the bike, I have to at least make an attempt. Sure my voice may not be heard, but at least I know I tried.....
Again I just want to bring attention to the problem....
I'll be watching my thread, if it gets "edited" by anyone but me...
Thanks for your help
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TurboBlew
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posted July 18, 2002 05:00 PM
Hmmmm it looks like Kawi forgot to address this problem with the 02s as well. Must have been overlooked!
I know at the 1st ZX12 ride/rally there were at least 4 bikes that had the problem once it was pointed out to the owners.
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redelk
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posted July 18, 2002 10:58 PM
OOPS!
Sorry! My Bad!
Still, it might not hurt to bring this to KMC's attention. Call me "doubtful", but...
1. I figure they already know it exists. You'd be surprised to know who lurks (or even posts) on these forums.
2. Until it creates a problem for a serious number of bikes (i.e. over 750~1000) AND causes serious damage that THEY would have to pay for... nothing's going to happen.
3. Hell, their probably trying to figure out of there is a better solution that what we have tried here! Another possibility is that they are even sure why it happens on some bikes and not on others. It makes one wonder if this problem is exclusive to 12Rs or do other models or even brands have a similar problem? If not, it just makes the odds of them doing something even lower.
So, no damage, no warranty claims and no method to fix it... equals no action.
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entropy
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posted July 19, 2002 12:14 AM
quote:
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Jeroen is considered to be the "Father of all 12R sites". ..
there you go Red, mentioning Jeroen... Sniff, sniff, get me all sad again .
We ALL miss Jeroen!!!!!!!!
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mwrzx12
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posted July 20, 2002 05:58 PM
Update
I'm still aggresively pursueing this problem. Only a couple members of the zone have replied to having this problem:
Phil
Xman99
I have a larger list of people form Dale's site. They are:
mwrzx12
EPSTEIN
Mono12r (previously)
Major Konig ZX12R
TENN12
NameChanger - not visible but present in the connector
Five 0 15
Jolt
Avenger
OusiderZX12r
Here is the number to Kawasaki ( 949-460-5688 ) if you have this problem please call them. They are aware of the thread on Dales and are currently looking into this problem.
Kawasaki has heard us, and this is important if your bike is out of its warranty period. Thanks for your help with this one.
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fish_antlers
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posted July 21, 2002 09:06 AM
Could you please post specific details about this oil leak on this website? We have more than twice as many users as Dale's site, and I think the membership would appreciate it...
many members here either dont go to his site, or simply arent allowed.
Thanks...
tell me what I should be checking on my bike.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted July 21, 2002 03:24 PM
Fish check out this thread from early June...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=3066
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mwrzx12
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posted July 23, 2002 11:10 AM
Edited By: mwrzx12 on 23 Jul 2002 12:16
Pics of the problem
Remove your seat and the connector is right there. It is the one in closer to the front.
Heres a couple pics of the connector to check..
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TReMor
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posted July 23, 2002 11:29 AM
Guys, this is the real deal. There is a 6+ page thread on this at the other site. I found oil in my smaller connector this past Saturday, and my bike is an '02 with only 2600 miles on it and NO wheelies. Please check your connectors and see if you have any oil or oily residue in them.
Tim
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bigwill
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posted May 08, 2011 04:23 PM
I have an 01 with 27k on runs like a champ, same leak just started, damnit!!!
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Paul2281
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posted May 09, 2011 05:13 AM
My 02 with 10,xxx miles just started doing it....It started dripping on my chain guard.....
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crashtech
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posted May 09, 2011 11:47 AM
No worries....Rog and I have fixed a bunch...
Here is what you will need..
1 bottle of liquid super glue
heat shrink tubing
soldering materials (iron, solder)propave torch
2 cans contact cleaner
1 quart lqr thinner
1 stator cover gasket
1. First remove the staor cover, then remove stator from cover.
2. Spray the shit out of the stator and into the wick wire connection (where wires attatch to stator)until the fluid comes out of the other end by the 90 degree rubber.
3. while that is drying go to tail.
4. Remove the connectors from the foan holder and unplug. The one that is leaking cut the connectors off both ends.
5. Strip and splice the wires back about 2 inches to expose as much oil as possible on both ends.
6. After the stator has dried push super glue into the wick connection untill comes out other end.
7. Let tack up for a couple min and reinstall the stator into the cover. This is important because the wires need to be installed in the holder bracket before they get fully hadened!!
8.While the stator is curring go to tail and solder the wires direct after you clean the oil off the wires. ( I have needed the torch to burn the oil out of a few bikes wires here!!) Be sure to get the heat shrink tubes long enough to cover all exposed wires!!! This is repair (cutting and soldering) is needed to remove the connection because the resistance is WAY to high oem and the connector makes it worse. I have seen them burnt so badly they HAD to be cut out!!! ...HDL's bike had this!!
9. reinstall everything and wire tie the remaining connector or the 2 on the subframe.
10. After all done fire up and check with meter for charging voltage and static voltage. All the ones we have done are holding great and performing flawlessly. NO area to leak oil out of either.
You need to stop the oil at the source and silicone wont hold for long under the heat and chemicals...
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bigwill
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posted May 10, 2011 05:13 PM
hey crash thanks for all the info!
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mwrzx12
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posted May 10, 2011 06:30 PM
Yeah, I was surprised at the e-mail notification for my almost 9 year old thread...lol
Glad to see the great advice given above. I sold my bike about three years ago.
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