sossei
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posted May 01, 2002 02:44 PM
muzzy exhaust ?
does anyone know the difference in the system for an '01 and the system for an '02 zx12? will the system from an '01 fit on an '02?
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posted May 01, 2002 03:02 PM
i think doug said it was a different system for the 02 vs the 00/01.
However the difference was the fairing clearance. So the header will indeed fit an 02...but its likely to rub and melt your fairing.
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posted May 02, 2002 04:44 AM
The fairing on the '02 is a bit closer, so it causes more problems than the '01 did. From what they tell me the re-design is to allow for more clearance. I have an '00 pipe on my '02. It touches the fairing in one spot, and is close in others. I have heat sheilding on, but way down low, where it's hard to see, there is a little distortion from the melting. It sure runs good though, and not a bit of popping on decceleration. Weather permitting, I'll have it on the strip this weekend, and I'll see how it performs compared to the '00.
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posted May 02, 2002 06:40 AM
All true. It will "fit" but meltation of the fairing is likely.
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posted May 02, 2002 06:55 AM
"meltation" I think Doug invented a new word!! 
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fastestr1
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posted May 02, 2002 09:41 AM
I thought the 02 pipe was redone for clearance and more power or is it a 01 pipe that is rebent?
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posted May 02, 2002 12:25 PM
Hey hotrod!!! dude we are going to try and come up there on sunday!!! hopefully we will see you...
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posted May 02, 2002 06:00 PM
Neither,
'01 and '02 pipes are the same "effective" design, but the fit is different.
If you have an '02 buy an '02 pipe. If you have an '01, order that. It's all about the possibility of meltation. The motation is the same.
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posted May 03, 2002 04:42 AM
Same motation with a little meltation. I can live with that. Hey Mike, hope the weather is good. I'll be there and ready to go. Bring that bike to a good track and you'll get some great times. (you'll still have to be consistent to beat me)
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posted May 03, 2002 09:22 AM
Why is Muzzy saying the 02 with the new pipe is getting 20 hp if the pipe is the same as the 01?
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posted May 03, 2002 09:29 AM
Because the '02 runs better than the '01 and '00. It starts out with more power to begin with. I have both right now, and I can believe it.
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posted May 03, 2002 10:12 AM
That's correct. The percentage of gain is the same.
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posted May 03, 2002 10:46 AM
Doug I assume you guys get an MSO with your bikes to?? What did the MSO say for horsepower?
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posted May 03, 2002 01:51 PM
MSO's show something called "taxable" horsepower. I've never believed that the numbers mean much. I can have a look next week.
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posted May 03, 2002 03:39 PM
Just wondering if it shows more than the 2000's did.
Taxable horsepower, please explain? :d
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posted May 08, 2002 04:25 PM
Horsepower
Dyno'd my 02 at daytona on a Superflow Dyno and it pulled 154.3 hp at the rear tire, bike is box stock, had 3500 miles on it, adn it was about 60 degrees out that day... Muzzy is saying that you will get 20.3 hp out of their full system adn a PCIIIr and a stock filter.. that would equate 174.6 hp, add one or 2 for a KN filter and you are looking at 176 to 177 hp, at the rear tire, not bad in my opinion
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posted May 08, 2002 07:29 PM
HDL, what color is your bike ? I was there on Tuesday and Wednesday and saw a few 2002 12's.
There was a genius there with a red 2002 12 that had 50 miles on it waiting in line. He said that if it blows up then Kawasaki would rebuild it and bore it out and it would be better. Since you stated your miles I assume it wasn't you.
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fastestr1
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posted May 08, 2002 11:24 PM
Things that make you go hmmm. The 00 & 02 muzzy pipes are almost the same, but I have never heard anyone claiming 20 hp gains on the board with a muzzy. I know the 02 is stronger. But Muzzys 02 dyno chart showed 183 after piped and PcIIIr, 163 stock. So the 00 bikes got 174-178 with the muzzy and PcIII?
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posted May 09, 2002 05:40 AM
My '00 did 181.4 with a Muzzys and PCIII.
I think the best answer is it depends. Different bikes on different dynos on different days with different environments give different results with the same mods.
The best before and after numbers are generated by the same bike on the same day on the same dyno that you're swapping parts on and tuning then measuring the results. Most of us don't have that luxury but it does give you some kind of base line numbers to work with.
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posted May 09, 2002 06:13 AM
fastestr1, look closely...
The Muzzy chart is STD, not SAE.
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posted May 09, 2002 08:08 AM
Hells Dark,
Your comment is exactly why we are really reluctant to post dyno numbers. Sends chills up my back. What we are showing is what OUR bike did on OUR dyno an a given day with the best map we could build. We are NOT saying that YOU will get "20.3 hp". You might get more, you might get less.
Depends on the bike,day,dyno,mapping, etc.
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posted May 09, 2002 08:15 AM
I got a question for ya Doug..... Does cans make much difference?????? As I have aluminum... Would a different Muzzy can give me more????? Also whats the most ponys you all have run with Muzzy exhaust.... Like would 250 be possible with this exhaust??????? Thanxxxx Doug......
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posted May 09, 2002 09:30 AM
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My question was not meant to offend anyone.I just was woundering why the hindle is being talked up. Muzzy is producing 20 hp just like the hindle, but no one is bring that up on the board. ps. Doug why not just put the percent of hp gain instead of a dyno chart, then the dyno chart will not be a problem.
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posted May 09, 2002 09:38 AM
The can shape makes no difference. The core size (2.250)is what matters and they are all the same.
Yes we've run 250 hp through a 2.250 core. Maybe larger would be better but at that level who cares, you can't hardly ride it anyway.
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posted May 09, 2002 10:31 AM
I agree with Doug on this. I own a dyno business, and have seen horsepower figures all over the board with extremely happy customers and extremely disapointed ones with the very same set up. It is amazing how a company can come out and say their pipe will make 25 h.p. and everyone will buy it! The manufacturing process of motorcycles and for that matter cars and trucks has tolerances. If you take enough so-called stock motors apart you can put together an extremely good (almost blue printed) engine. Sometimes you luck out and buy one that coincidentally the right parts got together. Suddenly you have a bike with a 5 or 10 horsepower advantage or a bike that reacts better to a pipe etc.
Two years ago we had a half dozen R-6's in the shop. We took the ignition boxes from all six and tested them on the dyno,in a Supersport legal bike. One of the stock boxes made 4.5 horsepower more than the others! So the after market guys can honestly only talk about ranges and not exact numbers.
And the truth is if horsepower is damn important why is it the Hyabusa Formula Extreme bike can't win or at least finish on the podium!
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