blkrnbow
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posted April 29, 2002 06:00 AM
WTF
So i go down to the dealer Saturday to make an appt for my valve adjust and some other crap being done to the 12. Up by the parts counter he is 5 of the 7 sales people lined up looking out the window. Well I walk over and see what the hell is going on. There is this kid (about 18 yr old, no offense intended) on a brand new ZX7. He is trying his ass off to get this bike going and keeps killing it. Within the 30 seconds I was there he killed it 4 or 5 times and did one great backfire. He finally gets the bike going and starts spinning the back tire. Those brand new bikes with brand new tires can do that. Well he shoots into the inside land and almost high sides trying to get on the road. Now the sales people are laughing their butts off and know this dude cannot ride to save life. How long will it be before someone sues a bike shop because they sold them a bike they couldnt ride. Well anyway the guy shows up 5 minutes later asking about 110 octain for his bike. He takes another 10 minutes getting on the road. Doh!.
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kzz1
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posted April 29, 2002 06:18 AM
 Edited By: kzz1 on 29 Apr 2002 09:18
This is truely sad! Same thing happen at our local dealership execpt this person went five miles from the dealership and crash. He kept killing the engine but would say to the saleman that he rode a bike before he bought a sportbike.
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Ninjaman12R
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posted April 29, 2002 06:22 AM
Damn.....
That's a scary story for sure.Sounds like the guy had never even ridden a bike.
I've witnessed salesmen trying to put a greenhorn on a bike that was way more than what the guy needed. Sad but true.
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bagster
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posted April 29, 2002 08:28 AM
sad but true
I have a friend who is a mechanic at the local Kaw dealer. He told me about a 45 year old gentleman who was sold a 12 early this spring and dropped it two times in the parking lot before he even got it started.
the workers were just laughing at him so my buddy runs over and helps him up and tells him they can get it trailered to his house no problem. Well, the guy insisted on riding it out even though it was less than 40 degrees out.
After stalling it a few times, he was heading out of the parking lot and rode through a small puddle and into the street.
(you know whats coming dont you?)
He gets on the road and Throttles up with a brand new ice cold,WET tire! within less time than it takes to say "DOH!" he was sliding down the road. Not hurt too badly but I am sure his pride was crushed.(along with his plastics).
My buddy runs over to him and helps him up while the whole shops crew just stands there and laughs, doing nothing to help him. My bud rolls the bike back to the parking lot and the shop owner tells the guy that "they can deliver it to his house now". My bud was pissed that the owner didnt even warn the guy about the machine he was getting onto.
the guy had no idea what he was buying (powerwise) and no idea about tires, because noone told him.
Now my buddy goes out of his way to get out of the mechanics bay and make sure new buyers are "up to speed".
He is a real good guy.
He gave up being a breast cancer researcher/chiropractor for bike mechanic work (his true love).
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blkrnbow
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posted April 29, 2002 08:46 AM
I can just see
Somone sueing a dealership for selling their son/sister/mother whoever a bike they could not handle. Prolly go under some safety negligence thing. I mean yeah they want to make their money but shit not at the cost of someones life. And although (and yeah Im an ass for this) I was laughing my ass off at the guy when he kept killin it the sales people should have known this is not a good thing.
I'll check with them next week when bike goes in and see if dude has dropped it yet. The one thing that gets me about the punk is when I told him he doesn't want to put 110 octain through there without some other work he looks at me like I am stoned and goes "Oh yeah? Well what do you ride". Of course I let him know. I guess Darwin is busy at work.
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posted April 29, 2002 10:05 AM
A guy looped a brand new ZX-9 trying to show the shop mechanics he could wheelie. I think he rode it a total of 100 yards before having it totalled!
I try to take newbie riders and teach them a lil before they really mess up. Kind of hard to teach some of them, though. Experience is the best teacher, until somebody gets hurt, that is.
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lou_zx12r
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posted April 30, 2002 03:52 AM
smarts!
common sense is a wonderfull thing to have! If it could be regulated I'm sure the government would have done this long ago. There are those that find something they love and are willing to start slow and enjoy it for as long as they can. Then there are those who just work on a fast track of life. They know, do, and are equipt for it all. These are the individuals that we see buying what they don't know and can't handle. Yes, some of us laugh at them but we don't mean any harm in it. I try to give advise but most of the time it's ignored (I'm sure lots of you guys/girls get this too). I'm always willing to to give my opinion to a new rider but society being what it is today NO one wants to hear "That is not good for you" "You shouldn't do that" In our society of "PC" it offends people. It's a shame that people act that way but it's their right. Isn't it?
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blkrnbow
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posted April 30, 2002 07:08 AM
Update
So I guess I will see alot of this ZX-7 rider. Yesterday was in the car with GF and daughter. Here goes Zx-7 dude switchin lanes like a bonehead, no blinkers, no rhyme or reason (other than attemoting to look cool on new bike). Well he splits up at a red light, car to right makes right hand turn, our light turns green and ZX-7 boyeeee takes off charging right for this car completing his right hand turn. Almost clips the back of car while trying to change lanes around him. Then flips dude making turn off. I think I need to slap some sense into idiot.
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blkrnbow
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posted May 04, 2002 10:32 AM
UPDATE
Dropped the 12 off for some work today and guess what I see? This almost new ZX-7s with bent forks, scrapes down side (pipe side) and a bent frame. Appears dude decided to slow down by plowing into a car. Rider is fine, bike is totalled. maybe he will learn.
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TeamSpeed
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posted May 04, 2002 01:07 PM
And those are the guys that ruin it for the rest of us. People only hear of these idiots, then turn around and say the rest of us are nuts for riding crotch rockets. I still think that an IQ test should accompany the driving test to get your license...
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redelk
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posted May 06, 2002 07:01 AM
all very disappointing
"know-it-all", wannabe kids...
their parents who allow these kids to get such a bike...
the mid-life crisis dude who wants the best of everything, because he can afford it...
dealer's staff be entertained by the above mentioned...
Yep, it's all kinda disappointing and sad, BUT...
I ALMOST can not fault the dealer's staff. In some cases, these people have become so jaded by these idiot customers that think riding a motorcycle is the same as riding a bicycle. They don't realize that the bike's power to weight ratio would be equal to having John Force's motor in their Lexus. All they know is that unlike a bicycle, they don't have to pedal.
Over the past ten years, I have seen customers at my dealer start yelling at the salesman because he recommend that their 16 year old son start off on something a little smaller then that 9R. If I had a quarter for every customer that has either yelled at or just plain walked out of my dealer's showroom, the bank wouldn't still own most of my 12R.
Anyone, including a salesman with a true concern for his customers, would eventually get to the point that it just isn't worth the effort any more. Not if you want to keep the doors open. The guy that bought my old 7R paid cash for it. Three fifty dollar bills and 293 twenty dollar bills. All out of zip lock bags. Wonder what he did for living? The salesman didn't. Shit like that happens daily.
If you think that's bad, my dealer also sells street legal scooters. Their repair bay is full of these things... wrecked. Some looked like they have been dropped. Others look like they had played chicken with a truck (and lost). It's the same thing as with the big bikes, but the kid is 14 instead of 16. You see these kids on major roads all the time. Usually riding two up.
Ever been to a gun show? Look around and you'll start thinking that half of the people there shouldn't be allowed to have any kind of firearm. Hell, some of those folks look like they shouldn't even be let out of their house!
The point is, it doesn't matter if it's bikes, cars or guns. One thing is for sure, mankind will contine to prove their stupidity on a hourly basis. More like every nanosecond. No matter how hard you try to educate them or protect them from themselves, it just ain't gonna happen.
A doctor bought a new Harley and felt that he was "above" going to a MSF course. Instead, he paid the dealer for "riding lessons" at $200 a pop! How many folks go out a buy Harleys (oe any other cruiser) and think they are even "above" that?
Over the past five years, the number of registered motorcycles have doubled in Arkansas. To get a motorcycle endorsement requires taking a one page test and riding around some cones in the state police parking lot. It would help if they improved the testing methods, but the majority of bike accidents are involve riders who don't even have a motorcycle endorsement.
Sadly, people will continue to be idiots. Once your through crying about these that get themselves killed over ignoring you recommendations... all that's left is to laugh. Is it right? Of course not. It's just that it's all that's left to do. Either it's that or the dealership might as well start selling shoes.
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EastBayDave
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posted May 06, 2002 07:41 AM
A while back while I was getting a new bike (I rarely spend this much time at the dealer); I watched a 16 year old get a new cruiser co-signed by mom. I overhear the salesman asking how much experience he has, & the mom chimes in "oh he's ridden dirtbikes before!"
Everyone looks at each other.
They finish the paperwork & kid revs it up & dumps the clutch. He had it going in the right direction (toward the street 50 yards away), but there was a planter box in the way on the sidewalk bordering the street. (can we guess what's next?) Yep...
Boy hits planter box & highsides out into busy street. Just misses getting hit by cars going 50, & gets up a bloody mess of roadrash (helmet only.) No real bad injuries but lots of scrapes. Mom running over there screaming; typical bad scene. Bike has tire/rim into engine; pretzeled forks, totalled.
There oughta be a law...
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blkrnbow
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posted May 06, 2002 07:54 AM
nuther update
Talked to the service dept when I picked bike up Sat eve. In a weirder turn of events the guy had brought the bike in on a truck, front rim destroyed, forks destroyed front rim was firmly planted into engine, frame destroyed, right side fairing destroyed, pipe destroyed. Loser boyeeee had liability only. Well he purchased a new front tire fromt he service dept and tried to have service mount it. He thought the bike was still "rideable". I laugh only because he wasn't hurt other than some scrapes and bruises and a hit on wallet.
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posted May 06, 2002 11:56 AM
i just dont know what to say when hearing about things like this. human stupidity knows no bounds. i mean, there's naivite (for the kid that knows nothing about bikes), but then there's just stupid. u dont hwave to live in a biker family to know that a bike thats twistted up like a pretsil is nto rideable.
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posted May 06, 2002 01:10 PM
Edited By: your car is slow on 6 May 2002 16:00
wrong thread
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posted May 06, 2002 02:57 PM
Well, I think that the dealer should warn them and ask if they have ridden but........... really they only have to do that out of kindness! They should not have to!!! These little kids should know what they are buying. A Car salesman doesn't ask if you have driven a car before!!!!
I knew what I was buying when I bought my ZX6R, ZX6E and my ZX12R!!!
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ZX12Girl
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posted May 06, 2002 02:58 PM
BTW - Shouldn't they have at least the permit before they buy a bike??? Now that is something that I do think the dealer should ask!!!
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blkrnbow
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posted May 06, 2002 03:30 PM
permit
CA a permit requires you pass a written test, that is all.
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ZX12Girl
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posted May 06, 2002 04:11 PM
Permit
Yeah! Same here...but it's a start!!! Currently you do not have to even be a legal rider to buy a bike!!!
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ZHooligan
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posted May 09, 2002 09:20 PM
Edited By: ZHooligan on 13 May 2002 00:10
Dealers are in a helluva spot. They are in the business to sell bikes. If they give advice they can be sued. If they don't they can be sued. If they refuse to sell a bike to a customer they can be sued. If they sell to the customer they can be sued. The very parents that cosigned for junior sues if junior is hurt or killed!!
Then on top of it any friggin idiot with money and or credit can buy a bike regardless of skill or knowledge! I'm not into making new laws but it should be required that people have to be licensed to buy a bike. And the license process needs to be realistic. Can you imagine if Formula I cars could be bought by teenagers for use on the street!
Keeping the idiots off the road would help us on our insurance rates. I read somewhere that it is not whether or if a male rider between 16 and 24 will have an accident. It is a question on whether it will one or two accidents in the first month!!
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